The Debate

As I promised, this entry is dedicated to a nice friend of mine who won me in a friendly debate on Homosexuality and Christianity.

So, what is his stand?
- Homosexuality is wrong (basic premise)

So, what is my stand?
- Homosexuality cannot be stated as wrong, but nothing on being right (basic premise)

He suited all my criterias that I laid out to have a fair argument with me on homosexuality
1) He WAS an AJ before
2) He IS ready for an intellectual debate
3) He IS ready for a theological debate
4) He IS (or was, for that matter) polite

k. That being the ground sheet, I willingly entered the debate.

His 2nd premise : Relational Love (Eros) leads to Sex
"When 2 people love each other so deep, it will inevitably lead to sex"
~ This thus being applicable to AJs as well

My Counter : What is wrong with that?

His reasoning (or what is written in the bible) : It would defeat the purpose of God's command to "Go Forth and Multiply" - AJs relational sex does not do such, and thus, AJs break one of the earliest rules that God set for mankind.

My Reasoning : There are certain laws in the bible that is almost utterly inapplicable to the present. (i.e. slavery was reasonaby acceptable, we would not be able to wear clothing made of 2 different materiels etc.)
Thus, the laws in the bible, was supposed to be effective for that particular time only. - namely, the old testament
What is more important is the Law that Jesus made that summed up the law and the prophets : "Thou shalt love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul and with all your mind." the second is this " Love your neighbour as yourself"
~ there was no mention of anti-homosexual sentiments in the law that summarises the entire law of the prophets, thus, it is inapplicable.

His 3rd Premise : We break the law of "Go Forth and Mulitply"
~ We have to do that

My coutner : Imagine if you tell that as a Law in China. I think the government would most likely execute you for trying to wreck havoc in the country with an overbearing population already

His 4th premise : The Bible states that when God created Adam and Eve, He created Eve to fill the loneliness that Adam had. The loneliness for companionship. Thus, no matter what, there is always an emptiness when Eve isnt involved in Adam's life

My counter : So, is an AJ in a relationship feeling lonely?

His reply : Nope, of course they wont feel that way.

His counter : "Remember something the devil is the cheater to our feelings... he cheated the feelings of EVE to go eat the damn fruit la"

My reply : (I had no counter to it. because nobody has ever told me this before, after the hundreds of people I've counsulted) "..."

My counter : "So how do you change?"

His reply : "Pray and trust in God to be able to do it"

---- end of my reasonable self -------

I've asked God countless of times if it is correct or wrong.

Right? Wrong? - no answer.

(at this, i became erratic and started going quite crazy)


finally, I've used the final argument that always wins an argument on homosexuality vs christianity

- slavery was a permitted law in the Bible
- slavery is viewed as something that is against humanity and is thus, wrong
~ The people of today say that slavery is wrong

- homosexuality was somthing that went against the law in the Bible
- IF the society accepted homosexuality, it would be viewed as protecting humanity (human rights), and is thus ok.
~ The people of the future would have a changed attitude towards homosexuality

... I have never seen a counter for this argument...

yet. even though I might have won (or lost) the argument, according to me... it threw me into greater confusion...
(there was alot of things that went on)

... like i said, my reasoning was so empty........... i didnt gain anything.. i only threw myself into greated confusion...
its quite pointless..







Yoz dude, this is what went on yesterday, in debate format.
Hope you'll be able to look through it and tell me in a way that could state a wrong-ness in Homosexuality more clearly
=/



my very lost uncle is engaging in a debate with my father behind me on why he doenst belive that Christianity is the right way...
its sad that he has such a warped view on christianity...

poor guy...

he has no idea what he is in for...
For all has sinned, and fallen short of the Glory of God. - no one comes to the Father but through the Son.

One argument that he stated irritated me alot
- Jesus was God, and thus, it doesnt matter the amount of burden he could carry, as it was nothing to him. the pain, the torture. if He was God, wouldnt it be easy for him?

... that is so sad....

Jesus was born as a MORTAL - repeat - MORTAL
Characteristics of MORTAL, jus look at you and me.

He felt anger, he felt love, he felt compassion, he felt disgust.. he felt pain too!
He was so scared over what was going to happen to him, that he sweat drops of blood! (This condition is a known condition when a person goes through extreme anxiety and trauma)

He wept!

So tell me how could He not feel pain?...

HOW COULD HE NOT FEEL PAIN?
... sigh.. apparantly he did not do his research before engaging into verbal combat...

i'm wondering why my father isnt saying anything.... =(